I always get a kick out of the blog stats section…. mainly the search strings that bring people here… this is a serious one though, so I thought I would answer the question and of course, some of you probably have experience here… so please weigh in:
You can change Directors but it is not easy:
- Sit out for a year, that is 12 months past the date of your last $200 wholesale order. The con to this is that you put your business on hold for a year. For some people this is a problem for others it is not.
- If you were accidentally recruited into the wrong unit, which has happened. Someone in my unit thought it did not matter who they signed an agreement with, signed with someone else and then freaked out. (Now she says that she asked the person who helped her with the agreement… let’s stay above the fray here…. stuff happens… let’s focus on how to fix it.) In this case, the Director needs to draft a letter that must be signed by the Consultants, both Directors and the Recruiter. You can change units.
- Finally, become your own Director.
Hey… I was there… I was thinking of sitting out. Instead I just busted butt and became my own Director. As far as I know those are the only options. Can’t wait to here what you all have to say!!!
December 5, 2007 at 10:27 pm
Those are the only options I know about. I did the same, just busted butt baby!
December 6, 2007 at 6:25 am
Angie I know this is off topic (sorry Myst) but I couldnt log in to your site because I forgot my password. I know some people dont like Glenn Beck I DO!! I think he is real and he doesnt act like he is all that and a bag of chips. I remember when people were laughing at Al Gore and now people are taking this global warming seriously. Myst I respect your board but I wanted Angie to know that I read her blog this morning and I didnt think you would mind.
December 6, 2007 at 7:04 am
Nah – I don’t mind. I like Glenn Beck too!
December 6, 2007 at 12:33 pm
Thanks Colleen, I be lovin’ that Beck too! He calls it like it is anyhoo! I know what ya mean about the password thing, dang too much to remember…oh I feel a post coming on…LOL!:) Thanks Myst for allowing this:)!
December 6, 2007 at 8:17 pm
pynkmyst, were you getting a lot of inquiry about this? About if or how to change directors? Wondering if it was coming up quite a bit over the course of time or just recently.
December 6, 2007 at 8:46 pm
No more than usual. It is something that has come up pretty regularly in the course of my time in this business… heck… I am sure some of my own unit members have wondered the same thing. It is not possible to please everyone.
December 8, 2007 at 1:14 am
We have had 11 Directors step down in our Area this past year, including two Senior Directors … sometimes THEY take themselves out of the picture, and you don’t have to wait out a year. If you are with a Director who is not “walking the talk” then chances are she will soon be leaving MK. The cream rises to the top! Of course, some of you are too young to remember what that even means. smile kmh
December 8, 2007 at 8:56 am
kmh, you are right! I think Dacia uses that expression: “cream rises to the top.” She is younger than me.
December 8, 2007 at 9:01 am
I know of a slightly different scenario. A top ethical director stepped down at the beginning of this year to pursue a new career. Her unit was absorbed into the unethical senior’s unit. There is a lot of unhappiness. A friend of mine has taken option #1 and will sign under either my director or her senior director once her year is up. Then we’ll be in the same division and national area.
The director who stepped down, although in a different Seminar division, collaborated with our units for events and training. She always said her director “irritated her to success.” So, she took option #3: become a director!
December 9, 2007 at 1:02 pm
I’m glad you created a discussion for the topic myst. A year is a long time, and yet there are those of us who will wait it out. There are consultants who are concerned about making director and then always having to be involved to some degree with the director who they no longer want to deal with. So, two questions come to mind.
1. Can you totally ignore your senior after becoming a director? Or to what extent would the working relationship have to be?
2. Who do you turn to for guidance in lieu of your own director to help encourage and support you to the finish line? I really want to know what consultants do because I know they have a real need to be
uplifted.
December 9, 2007 at 4:29 pm
YES! Pink Biz, those are two great questions, and thank you for asking them. I am trying my best to compose a message to MK Corp. asking them to let me be an IBC again. Yes, I sent back product, a large amount. I did not know who to go to above my SD. I asked one time who was her senior and she told me there was NO ONE above her with the exception of the NSD Em. When I realized that our relationship was not for me to do such a great business, nor did our personalities mesh, I was lost. I was going to call Pam Shaw, because I met her and Gloria M. Banks once here in Paducah, but when I thought of calling her to ask her whom should I talk with, I figured it was silly. So, I just sent my stuff back. I had spoken with a gal on the PT blog, and wow, they told just to send my stuff back, and I would never have to worry about my SD or anything related to MK. I called corp to get the amount of money that I would receive, and they in turn called my SD. Later that day, my SD called and said she was worried about me, cuz she had not heard from me. She did not say anything about corporate calling her. I told her that I wanted out of MK but I did not tell her the reasoning behind it. I delayed sending my order, and ordered more for the holidays. I was doing fine. Then, just one day I realized that I needed a fire up underneath me. ( to put it nicely ). Her meetings were dull, she talked about all of her girls at meeting, and she talked badly of the SD she was sharing space with. I felt bad about how I viewed her at this point.
I needed a leader to help me lead. I needed a business woman who really knew what business was here in this small town. I needed more one on one time with my mentor. I wanted to see her sell, I wanted to see her book, I wanted to see her warm chatter. Never, not once, did I see her do these things.
Well, I have taken up too much time and space as it is….Happy Holidays all and Merry Christmas!!! Remember, Jesus is the reason for the season.
Have a great 2008.
with love, Jeni
December 9, 2007 at 10:57 pm
Hi all, sorry I haven’t been around much.
Great topic! Seems really frustrating. It seems like, if you were “stuck” under a director with whom you didn’t “mesh”, that would be the last person you would want to approach about signing something to let you leave her unit!
If a consultant calls corporate and lists specific grievances about unethical behavior they are either observing or being pressured to perform, is it possible they would be granted some sort of pass to find another unit?
I mean its one thing, “I don’t really like my directors personality”, it is another thing, “every month my director calls me with this really high pressure, ‘your not a real Christian if you don’t…’ pitch to place an order for product I don’t need”!
I am thinking that if the second scenario played out for MY wife, and they didn’t let her switch without “sitting out for a year” I would make sure some heads rolled!
Any idea if a genuine complaint would be admissible for switching?
tnx
December 9, 2007 at 10:59 pm
by the way, my wife’s director is AMAZING and we would never dream of switching… I am just asking from the hypothetical on behalf of anyone that IS stuck!
…just thought I should clear that up!
December 10, 2007 at 6:38 am
Great Pinknight! I am so glad you have an amazing director for your wife. I have found a senior director who is amazing also. She is always a phone call away, and MK is her way of life. I am pleased to get to know her, and even this evening we are having an MK christmas party at HER house. I am lucky to have found this woman.
Have any tips on how to write corp and ask if I can get back into MK? I need a letter that is smooth, not harsh, but honest. I will even sign a statement saying I will not send back product. I am dead serious about this business, and I have learned in this past year, what I needed to do, and how to do it. I pulled out some of my old sales ideas when I used to sell insurance, and you know what? Just get a phone book, a spiral bound book, a pen, a table, and chair, and of course, a phone, and start calling. The script? There are lots of them on unitnet, and many of them are the best. So, how about it anyone? Can anyone help me with a letter that sounds legible? I surely would appreciate it. thanks so very much, jeni
December 10, 2007 at 10:05 am
Pink Night (and others), I believe the company’s stance is to promote the adoptee system whenever possible, however, there are times when that does not work either.
Maybe Myst can shed some light on this and I am not sure, but I may have said this on a different post on here. If this is a repeat, I apologize. My friend whom I’ve mentioned above, wanted to simply be adopted by either my director or my director’s senior. She told her new director that she would like to do this because she felt a connection to our units. Her director flat out won’t allow her because she lives within 25 miles of her.
Is there a rule that you cannot be adopted if you live within 25 miles of your director? I don’t see why this director was so adamantly opposed to this girl adoption another unit. The director would lose nothing except a warm body at the meeting. This director even went so far as to tell my director’s senior to promise she would not allow her unit members to attend her meetings and/or events. It just seemed desperate and extreme. And petty.
Any insight?
December 10, 2007 at 10:07 am
Maybe I didn’t mention it here. Here’s the background:
My friend was in the unit of a top director who decided to pursue something new. The senior director absorbed the unit and there is a lot of upset. This led to my friend asking to be adopted and being flat out told no, because she lives within 25 miles of her new director.
December 10, 2007 at 1:10 pm
Within 25 miles? It seems to me that, if I understand this correctly, being within 25 miles should not have anything to do with what unit you want to be involved with. I cannot answer your question, but you might want to call corp on this to see if there are any regulations regarding mileage from one unit to another.
Take care, and best wishes.
December 10, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Pink Biz asks:
I know that might sound terrible… but really, it is and has been that bad. So… here is the dealio. Once you become a Director your Senior Director is paid 4-5% based on your total unit volume. She is no longer in your day to day business. When you are in DIQ and a consultant she is in your day to day business, contacting your team members and calling you because she is paid 4-9-13 or 26% on you if you are her personal. My Senior was like a Shark smelling blood when it came to new consultants. I know that I am not the only one who input the wrong phone numbers on new consultant agreements… don’t bother with that now… InTouch is much better now than it was then. Ah… I digress. Short answer… Yes, you can completely ignore her.
1. Can you totally ignore your senior after becoming a director? Or to what extent would the working relationship have to be?
Myst responds… Yes. You absolutely can. I am in the process of ignoring mine right now.
2. Who do you turn to for guidance in lieu of your own director to help encourage and support you to the finish line? I really want to know what consultants do because I know they have a real need to be uplifted.
Myst responds… well.. this is a tough one. You can find a sister sales Director to partner with if you are a Director. As a consultant, just go check out some local meetings. Most Directors are happy to see adoptees and really do NOT CARE or WANT the background, gossip or baggage. Just show up and be enthusiastic and they will love you. Before you know it, you will have a whole new MK family.
Pinknight asks: If a consultant calls corporate and lists specific grievances about unethical behavior they are either observing or being pressured to perform, is it possible they would be granted some sort of pass to find another unit?
Myst responds… No go pinknight. The company will NOT do anything in this situation. Basically it is one persons word against another. I know, I tried. I even turned my Director in for her “unethical” behavior… nothing… no doin’s… you gotta sit out.
Shadesofpink asks: Is there a rule that you cannot be adopted if you live within 25 miles of your director?
Myst responds… There is no such rule. Sounds like someone is a control freak. I would recommend the person just show up at another meeting and start participating. Skip the back story, just show up happy, enthusiastic, ready to help and ready to learn. I did that. I also did not take my adoptee’s prizes because I did not want her billing my Director. I did not want my Director calling me or even knowing what I was doing… I just wanted to be away from her in every possible way.
So that’s my story anyway.
That is what I know. Hope that helps a little.
December 10, 2007 at 5:35 pm
The Myst has spoken!
Thanks! My friend has been inactive since April 2007. In April 2008 she will sign a new agreement as my director’s senior’s personal team member. I don’t blame her one bit.
I can understand why corp. would prefer the unhappy consultant to sit out. If they make exceptions, people will start to abuse the option and as soon as a friend becomes a director or something, they would try to switch. Also, allegations against directors are difficult to prove. It’s everyone’s word against everyone else’s.
Great info, Myst! Again, THANKS!!!
December 10, 2007 at 6:07 pm
In my National Area we have a newish Director who was also on the 2007 Court of Sharing and did it within a couple of months. After a recent retreat one night she told us her back story.
This new Director had been a Director before. Her old NSD was a nightmare and she and her entire Unit had had enough. She stepped down from Directorship and sat out a year! and here’s the kicker- so did most of her Unit! She had met my NSD before, loved her and when she was ready to sign up again she did, as my NSD’s personal recruit. Most of her Unit signed up within 2 months of her and because of that she was a One Month Wonder
She’s happy, her Unit’s happy, my NSD is happy, the old old NSD?… Not so happy… Oh Well!
December 10, 2007 at 9:48 pm
You’re right! I recall that one of my former recruits (the 25 mile thing has been addressed by me before too) didn’t accept any of the prizes from her adopted director because she didn’t want ANY communication with our director. Only it seems that quite a few directors here communicate readily about who and when someone adopts into their unit. Could be the baggage the consultant brings as you say. This same recruit felt blackballed and a cold shoulder from the adopted director within a few weeks, as well as with the other directors sharing meeting space. I just told her to either find a new meeting again or look past it if she could. She changed meetings and didn’t share her past experiences. Ah, she also sat out after even that and can sign back up anytime now. She just isn’t sure with whom.
December 11, 2007 at 4:05 am
RE: sitting out for a year … make SURE it is one year; sometimes it is really 13 months. I know one woman who got caught with that, and suddenly found herself back under her old Director … she fought long and hard with corp. and was finally able to insist on staying with her new Director but it brought out a lot of nasty gossip for a while.
ANY Director will back off if you request them firmly to do so; they get all the kudo’s and the commissions whether you attend their meetings or not. The “prize” issue as mentioned above is one thing: Adoptee Directors are expected to be reimbursed for anything they give to you as awards. It is just easier to say ‘no thanx’ for the ribbons and costume jewellery: verbal recognition is FREE smile
Sometimes you are not treated “equally” with her own Unit members, but that is OK, too. She needs to grow her OWN business, and that means recognizing her own team members the most. (NOT the MK way, of course, but just understand where she is coming from; she will soon learn that a great adoptee has a ton of things to offer; having a DIQ or offspring adoptee adds a lot of excitement to HER team, as they cheer you on, and want to emulate your success … it raises the bar for the whole unit.)
Please, NEVER ‘bad mouth’ to anyone other consultants and directors, for any reason. People’s first reaction will always be: “If she talks about HER like this behind her back, what will she say about me when I’m not around.” Totally destroys trust in you, no matter how much you think the other Director deserves your criticism. If you are looking for ’sympathy’ take it to non-MK friends (or PinkTruth … they are always happy to listen to whiners). Get over it! Leave it behind, and remember someday you will have unit members who don’t like you, and adoptees who come to you for some of the same reasons you are looking for a new Director.
Pink hugs, kmh
December 11, 2007 at 4:07 am
RE: sitting out for a year … make SURE it is one year; sometimes it is really 13 months. I know one woman who got caught with that, and suddenly found herself back under her old Director … she fought long and hard with corp. and was finally able to insist on staying with her new Director but it brought out a lot of nasty gossip for a while.
ANY Director will back off if you request them firmly to do so; they get all the kudo’s and the commissions whether you attend their meetings or not. The “prize” issue as mentioned above is one thing: Adoptee Directors are expected to be reimbursed for anything they give to you as awards. It is just easier to say ‘no thanx’ for the ribbons and costume jewellery: verbal recognition is FREE smile
Sometimes you are not treated “equally” with her own Unit members, but that is OK, too. She needs to grow her OWN business, and that means recognizing her own team members the most. (NOT the MK way, of course, but just understand where she is coming from; she will soon learn that a great adoptee has a ton of things to offer; having a DIQ or offspring adoptee adds a lot of excitement to HER team, as they cheer you on, and want to emulate your success … it raises the bar for the whole unit.)
Please, NEVER ‘bad mouth’ to anyone other consultants and directors, for any reason. People’s first reaction will always be: “If she talks about HER like this behind her back, what will she say about me when I’m not around.” Totally destroys trust in you, no matter how much you think the other Director deserves your criticism. If you are looking for ’sympathy’ take it to non-MK friends (or PinkTruth … they are always happy to listen to whiners). Get over it! Leave it behind, and remember someday you will have unit members who don’t like you, and adoptees who come to you for some of the same reasons you are looking for a new Director.
Pink hugs, kmh
December 11, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Good advice and great points kmh.
Jeni – With regard to your letter to corporate, I would strongly recommend that you do NOT point out all the faults of your previous Director. Instead focus on the why you are excited to get started again and how serious you are about your business this time around. Hope that makes sense.
December 11, 2007 at 7:49 pm
Pynk, it makes great sense, and I thank everyone who has committed time to posting on this thread. kmh, you make the world a better place with what you wrote here, and again, I thank you, and all of the pynkmyst bloggers. It is a GREAT help to those of us whom have made mistakes and want to come to a place of positive thinking and re-commit.
Pynk, please don’t stop your positive blog pages, they really are a help, and when a new person sees the other site, all I have to say is log onto pynkmyst. It was really great that I got to do that the other day. I don’t know if she has posted yet or not, but you will have another newbie soon.
Love to all, and Merry Christmas.
Jeni